Episode 10 - Take Two
- December 22nd, 2022, 3:55 am#4975551
The commercially high-end version of this tech does an exceptional job and without the sorts of artefacts we're seeing here. No offence to kind2311 who is doin sterling work. Here's an example of the new He-Man bluray:
It's not beyond the realm of possibility Real Ghostbusters will eventually see such a re-release. I imagine all cartoons from that era are ripe for this tech, so I'm confident.
It's not beyond the realm of possibility Real Ghostbusters will eventually see such a re-release. I imagine all cartoons from that era are ripe for this tech, so I'm confident.
- December 22nd, 2022, 12:59 pm#4975580
I went though the DVD version of the episodes I have already enhanced, and the DVD also exhibits the same color and temperature changes that the enhanced copies suffer from. Either it's a problem with my copies of the DVDs, or it's something inherent to the DVD transfer that is now being enhanced and exacerbated by the upscaling process.
- December 22nd, 2022, 11:02 pm#4975607
kind2311 wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2022, 12:59 pm I went though the DVD version of the episodes I have already enhanced, and the DVD also exhibits the same color and temperature changes that the enhanced copies suffer from. Either it's a problem with my copies of the DVDs, or it's something inherent to the DVD transfer that is now being enhanced and exacerbated by the upscaling process.Your DVD copies seem the same as TimeLifes. The issue is a true remaster finds a master to work from. A DVD is already quite a few generations from the original print. Between it being "a copy of a copy of a copy...etc" and it being digitized at 640 X 480 pixels, it can only be fixed to a point. That's why the black outlines of the No-Ghost walking are the way they are. It is going to happen no matter what software you have. It is already set at 640 X 480.
- December 23rd, 2022, 6:11 am#4975614
Also worth noting some of the same people who worked on the Time Life RGB set are working on this He-Man set. If they got the rights to Real Ghostbusters I’m sure the results would be superior to what a fan can achieve with DVD rips. Fingers crossed the rights are acquire and / or Ghost Corp sees a financial or preservation incentive in remastering the series in this way. It would also justify a full price re-release / box set and new streaming revenues.
This is why I am quietly confident it’s a matter of when not if. Plus even if it doesn’t happen, the upscaling tech out in the wild will continue to improve.
devilmanozzy wrote: Your DVD copies seem the same as TimeLifes. The issue is a true remaster finds a master to work from. A DVD is already quite a few generations from the original print. Between it being "a copy of a copy of a copy...etc" and it being digitized at 640 X 480 pixels, it can only be fixed to a point. That's why the black outlines of the No-Ghost walking are the way they are. It is going to happen no matter what software you have. It is already set at 640 X 480.From what I’ve gathered the company producing the He-Man Blu-Ray has tech which can produce superior results. See above where more detailed line work is depicted where there would be incomprehensible artefact using a basic AI upscaler. I have no idea how it’s able to do that.
Also worth noting some of the same people who worked on the Time Life RGB set are working on this He-Man set. If they got the rights to Real Ghostbusters I’m sure the results would be superior to what a fan can achieve with DVD rips. Fingers crossed the rights are acquire and / or Ghost Corp sees a financial or preservation incentive in remastering the series in this way. It would also justify a full price re-release / box set and new streaming revenues.
This is why I am quietly confident it’s a matter of when not if. Plus even if it doesn’t happen, the upscaling tech out in the wild will continue to improve.
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- December 23rd, 2022, 5:17 pm#4975646
Are we absolutely certain the He-Man remaster is solely down to AI interpretation? The dots on the middle plate of elephant man's are damn-near invisible on the old transfer, and surely would've been lost in the clean-up process if that 2019 DVD is representative of the quality they're using as the foundation?
- December 24th, 2022, 9:39 am#4975682
Kingpin wrote:Are we absolutely certain the He-Man remaster is solely down to AI interpretation? The dots on the middle plate of elephant man's are damn-near invisible on the old transfer, and surely would've been lost in the clean-up process if that 2019 DVD is representative of the quality they're using as the foundation?I’m told it was done using “Upscaling technology”. Whether they have broadcast tapes to work from I’m not sure, those would exist for RGB anyway as they were used for the Time Life set.
- December 24th, 2022, 1:44 pm#4975692
Episode 13 - Xmas Marks the Spot
A Merry Christmas To All!
A Merry Christmas To All!
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- December 31st, 2022, 1:48 am#4975966
Had some trouble with this one, so it's a bit late and out of place in line, but here it is...
Episode 12 - Janine's Genie
Episode 12 - Janine's Genie
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- December 31st, 2022, 12:41 pm#4975979
The temperature changes/pink scenes are what's really driving me nuts, but they're present on the original DVDs and there's not much I can do about that.
Bison256 wrote: ↑December 31st, 2022, 7:56 am I had a chance to see these on my 4k monitor. I don't think the A.I. is good enough yet. Still images look good but look odd when there's movement.Unfortunately these are just simple upscales, not restorations. The AI enhances what is already there, and adds the extra digital information to bring the resolution and bitrate up.
The temperature changes/pink scenes are what's really driving me nuts, but they're present on the original DVDs and there's not much I can do about that.
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- January 2nd, 2023, 2:00 pm#4976072
Die now.... pay later!
Episode 15 - Station Identification
Never really paid much attention before as it is one of the more lackluster episodes IMO, but, despite the odd renditions of the character's eyes in some scenes, this episode has some really clean animation in it.
Episode 15 - Station Identification
Never really paid much attention before as it is one of the more lackluster episodes IMO, but, despite the odd renditions of the character's eyes in some scenes, this episode has some really clean animation in it.
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- January 3rd, 2023, 12:33 pm#4976137
Episode 16 - Sea Fright
The clean, well-drawn animation scaled up really well on this one. I added film grain this time to try and bring back some of that muddy look from the original transfers, while still keeping it somewhat 4K-crisp. Do you guys think digital noise would be better than grain? I have the option to add one or the other, or both if desired.
The clean, well-drawn animation scaled up really well on this one. I added film grain this time to try and bring back some of that muddy look from the original transfers, while still keeping it somewhat 4K-crisp. Do you guys think digital noise would be better than grain? I have the option to add one or the other, or both if desired.
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- January 4th, 2023, 2:10 pm#4976202
Episode 17 - The Spirit of Aunt Lois
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- January 4th, 2023, 2:13 pm#4976204
Episode 18 - Cry Uncle
Lots of temperature changes in this one, unfortunately. Many of the scenes are cold, and there are a few warm ones as well. Maybe the cold tone matches Uncle Cyrus' demeanor? Man that guy is depressing lol.
Lots of temperature changes in this one, unfortunately. Many of the scenes are cold, and there are a few warm ones as well. Maybe the cold tone matches Uncle Cyrus' demeanor? Man that guy is depressing lol.
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- January 5th, 2023, 4:14 pm#4976276
Episode 19 - Adventures in Slime and Space
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- January 6th, 2023, 3:49 pm#4976339
Episode 20 - Venkman's Ghost Repellers
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- January 6th, 2023, 8:08 pm#4976352
RedSpecial wrote: ↑January 6th, 2023, 4:36 pm This is amazing, Kind.glad you're enjoying, amigo. For some reason, Venkman's Ghost Repellers is still not processed up to 4K(or even HD for that matter). Maybe the bitrate is too high lol.
Thanks so much.
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- January 6th, 2023, 10:06 pm#4976354
mrmichaelt wrote: ↑January 6th, 2023, 8:31 pmIt's going on 7 hours at this point lol. Never had one take more than 2 before. Trippy.kind2311 wrote: For some reason, Venkman's Ghost Repellers is still not processed up to 4K(or even HD for that matter). Maybe the bitrate is too high lol.I've noticed that too. Some take a couple hours to fully process to HD/4K
- January 8th, 2023, 3:45 pm#4976430
Episode 21 - The Old College Spirit
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- January 9th, 2023, 8:25 pm#4976496
Welp, so much for that.
Guess it's ok for other users to upload RGB episodes, but of course when Vinny does it...
Guess it's ok for other users to upload RGB episodes, but of course when Vinny does it...
- January 9th, 2023, 10:18 pm#4976499
kind2311 wrote:Welp, so much for that.Bummer, but that's YouTube in a nutshell.
Guess it's ok for other users to upload RGB episodes, but of course when Vinny does it...
- January 10th, 2023, 8:37 am#4976540
This is the stuff that really bothers me with Sony. Extreme Ghostbusters isn’t available commercial free legally to purchase anywhere(outside of some out of print DVDS from overseas). They uploaded episodes to YouTube a couple years ago…and then took em down. Fine ok. At least then let other people upload them, it’s not like they are trying to monetize that series.
kind2311 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2023, 8:25 pm Welp, so much for that.Yeah I’m usually 100% against piracy but you aren’t just uploading episodes available for purchase elsewhere, you’re improving them. It’s not like you can just buy 4K episodes of RGB.
Guess it's ok for other users to upload RGB episodes, but of course when Vinny does it...
This is the stuff that really bothers me with Sony. Extreme Ghostbusters isn’t available commercial free legally to purchase anywhere(outside of some out of print DVDS from overseas). They uploaded episodes to YouTube a couple years ago…and then took em down. Fine ok. At least then let other people upload them, it’s not like they are trying to monetize that series.
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