[Nomake Wan]

Wouldn't Garraka specifically fritzing out the proton field on Possessor's enclosure indicate that Possessor was under Garraka's influence by the time it got to the Library?

It's an intriguing theory, but I think Gil and Jason would've made it clearer if it'd been their intent to have Possessor aiding the Ghostbusters.

It could, but also consider that it was not just that single proton field; it was every single proton field in the entire lab.

The writing is messy, so I choose to enjoy the fascinating theory that the Possessor was actually fond of Lars and the GBs. It makes more sense than stealing a fragile wax recording that can't be played anywhere except the place it was stolen from for the purposes of...playing it back...later...somehow.

[mrmichaelt]

It could, but also consider that it was not just that single proton field; it was every single proton field in the entire lab.

The writing is messy, so I choose to enjoy the fascinating theory that the Possessor was actually fond of Lars and the GBs. It makes more sense than stealing a fragile wax recording that can't be played anywhere except the place it was stolen from for the purposes of...playing it back...later...somehow.

Well, I took it more of a case of Muldoon and the raptors. Lars was so used to routine and being around Possessor and Pukey in their holding cells, he forgot he was the jailkeeper and thought he built a rapport with the ghosts. But the ghosts were just bidding their time and once they were free, they went back to their baser instincts.

To be fair to Possessor, they billed it as a chaotic entity so maybe it wasn't so much a plothole/bad plan - more Possessor enjoys being in the moment and throwing everything into disarray. Was Garraka going to order someone else to steal the player once Possessor made it back with the recording? Moot but you'd also wonder why he didn't press Library ghost to steal both items since we know she can hold corporeal objects like the books she reads in the library. Or was it because she's an entity anchored to her location and not even Garraka's ability could turn her into a free roamer like Possessor?

[Kingpin]

It could, but also consider that it was not just that single proton field; it was every single proton field in the entire lab.

I'm not referring to the scene when the power in the PRC shut down when Lars and Lucky were trying to remove Garraka from the orb.
When Lars shows the Minipufts reacting to the orb, Garraka's ice manifests explicitly on the proton field array for Possessor's enclosure, meaning Garraka was intentionally recruiting Possessor to his cause.

It makes more sense than stealing a fragile wax recording that can't be played anywhere except the place it was stolen from for the purposes of...playing it back...later...somehow.

It actually makes far less sense. The point about not having the wax cylinder player is valid, but I think the movie is clear in it's intent: Possessor fell under Garraka's influence.

To be fair to Possessor, they billed it as a chaotic entity so maybe it wasn't so much a plothole/bad plan - more Possessor enjoys being in the moment and throwing everything into disarray. Was Garraka going to order someone else to steal the player once Possessor made it back with the recording? Moot but you'd also wonder why he didn't press Library ghost to steal both items since we know she can hold corporeal objects like the books she reads in the library. Or was it because she's an entity anchored to her location and not even Garraka's ability could turn her into a free roamer like Possessor?

Could be Eleanor can't leave the perimeter of the Library, could also be that ghosts need to be in close proximity to Garraka/Garakka's presence to fall under his influence.

Some ghosts may even be able to resist his influence, such as Melody and Slimer.

[d_osborn]

I’m going to give it another watch. I’m also around the 2-3 viewings. Unacceptable!

[Davideverona]

Wasn't Jason due to speak in a sort of comic con panel this weekend? Anyone catched it?

[mrmichaelt]

Wasn't Jason due to speak in a sort of comic con panel this weekend? Anyone catched it?

He was on a panel today.

[Nomake Wan]

It actually makes far less sense. The point about not having the wax cylinder player is valid, but I think the movie is clear in it's intent: Possessor fell under Garraka's influence.

Sorry, I should have been more clear with my grammar. I mean it would make more sense. As in, I would have loved to have seen the plot thread have been that the possessor was a chaotic good until finally succumbing to Garraka at the end rather than the nonsense we got in the actual film with it being chaotic evil and stealing a useless wax cylinder because plot happen.

I want to be clear again (as I was before) that I do not hate Frozen Empire. Much like how I enjoy Back to the Future, enjoying something does not mean I cannot criticize it and posit alternative, better-written (in my opinion) scenarios for it. Like how none of Back to the Future II makes any sense whatsoever if you turn your brain on for 5 seconds, and yet I still enjoy it.

[Davideverona]

April Fools Day.

Or, as I like to call it, Countless Fake GB3 Announcements Day!

Feels strange to think that we're waiting on a fifth one.

[One time]

After almost a year now for me the best and worst part of both movies are:

-Afterlife: (Which I am in love with)

Positive: The entire movie we wait for the OG's. That 2 hour wait mimics the actual 30 year wait we had in real life. And when they show up it's everything you hoped it would be.

Negative: Is Ray not believing Egon, even thought they crossed checked all their data in all the movies. And Egon robbing the Ghostbusters without Ray's involvement. The movie is so good I kind of get carried away in it and don't mind this as much now.

-Frozen Empire (Which I do like).

Positive: I like Ray's involvement and the color grading. I like the extended scenes that show Nadeems family history with Garrakka.

Negatives: The story is ok, it isn't great but it's doable. But what pulls me out of the movie at lightspeed are all the scenes where the movie breaks the 4th wall. Nadeem super slow motion sliding down the pole, killing the flow, running out of lighter fluid. Or some jokes being so cringe that the actors (Rudd, Wolfhard, Grace), in character, cringe laugh at how cringy the jokes are.

[mrmichaelt]

Aaron Gray posted a few early Garraka concepts.
https://www.instagram.com/ajgraydesign/p/DHuPhpksrcu/

[One time]

What I also notice about FE is that the facial expressions of the actors are more exaggerated as compared to GB1, GB2 or AF.

Like Rudd driving the Ecto in the opening scene, Rudd trying to pull the handle of the containment unit in the scene after, Aykroyd in the final scene, Podcast reacting to "It Beeps" etc.

It's a bit reminiscent of the Mask with Jim Carey. It's like over acting. Maybe it's why it's meant to be like a Real Ghostbusters live action saturday morning cartoon in a movie format.

A mistake in the movie I found was the continuity:

In the scene where Phoebe puts on the Proton Pack to go to the Melody Diner scene, and Podcast says: "Phoebe and Podcast, Podcast and Phoebe" "Taking a bite out of the big apple".

The Proton pack she puts on is an 1984 pack with the 84 thrower grip and without the heatsink.

The next scene when we enter the diner she's wearing the Spengler pack with the shotgun grip and with the heatsink.

Just a lack of attention to detail in FE.

[Kingpin]

A mistake in the movie I found was the continuity:

In the scene where Phoebe puts on the Proton Pack to go to the Melody Diner scene, and Podcast says: "Phoebe and Podcast, Podcast and Phoebe" "Taking a bite out of the big apple".

The Proton pack she puts on is an 1984 pack with the 84 thrower grip and without the heatsink.

There's also the NYPD civil forfeiture notice on one of the Proton Pack storage racks as well in that scene.

Just a lack of attention to detail in FE.

The "lack of attention" is no worse than in any of the other Ghostbusters movies. You could compile a reasonably-long list just from the mistakes and prop inconsistencies from Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II.

[mrmichaelt]

Firehouse blueprint for auction.
https://propstoreauction.com/lot-detail ... lot/158896

And collection of crew gear.
https://propstoreauction.com/lot-detail ... lot/158895

[Kingpin]

Firehouse blueprint for auction.
https://propstoreauction.com/lot-detail ... lot/158896

My heart says: "yes", but my bank balance says: "NO."

[d_osborn]

Firehouse blueprint for auction.
https://propstoreauction.com/lot-detail ... lot/158896

My heart says: "yes", but my bank balance says: "NO."

According to my calculations, the framing alone would cost $95,000.

[mrmichaelt]

My heart says: "yes", but my bank balance says: "NO."

According to my calculations, the framing alone would cost $95,000.

Firehouse blueprint for auction.
https://propstoreauction.com/lot-detail ... lot/158896

My heart says: "yes", but my bank balance says: "NO."

Indeed. One day, there will be a Ghostbusters fan with F U money to buy these goodies.

[Corey91]

According to my calculations, the framing alone would cost $95,000.

My heart says: "yes", but my bank balance says: "NO."

Indeed. One day, there will be a Ghostbusters fan with F U money to buy these goodies.

isn't there one already? https://www.instagram.com/gbartifacts/

never been more jealous in my life

[mrmichaelt]

isn't there one already? https://www.instagram.com/gbartifacts/

never been more jealous in my life

I stand corrected.

[mrmichaelt]

This appears to be pre-Sewer Dragon, but Aaron Gray pitched a 'sewer monster' based on an Eel Goby.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DIcAg2WvMgu/

[Davideverona]

Came here just to say that the new Pope has a little connection with Ghostbusters:

- he's feom Chicago like our dear Harold Rsmis
- being from Chicago and being on a mission from God he's technically a Blues Brother like Uncle Dan.

[BatDan]

Jesus H-tap-dancin’ christ! He has seen the light!

[Davideverona]

Jason Reitman will be at the NY Firehouse for the Ghostbusters Day.

I'm starting to feel that old tingle again and hoping to hear the words: "We're writing the next chapter of the Ghostbusters story"

[GuyX]

Jason Reitman will be at the NY Firehouse for the Ghostbusters Day.

I'm starting to feel that old tingle again and hoping to hear the words: "We're writing the next chapter of the Ghostbusters story"

Time for some new blood to write and direct Ghostbusters. Jason and the other guy had two bites of the apple. Let’s see what someone else can do.

[BatDan]

I think Jason needs to finish the Spengler Trilogy himself.

He stepped aside for one round to make "Saturday Night" After watching that, i was like "where the hell was this style and dedication to dialogue in the new GB?!"

Now he has twice the know how and twice the particle power that they needed in order add that quick-witted SNL spark back into GB. It only makes sense he had to go back and study where GB came from.

I think after Jason rounds off the Phoebe Trilogy, we can move on.

[GuyX]

I think Jason needs to finish the Spengler Trilogy himself.

He stepped aside for one round to make "Saturday Night" After watching that, i was like "where the hell was this style and dedication to dialogue in the new GB?!"

Now he has twice the know how and twice the particle power that they needed in order add that quick-witted SNL spark back into GB. It only makes sense he had to go back and study where GB came from.

I think after Jason rounds off the Phoebe Trilogy, we can move on.

Saturday Night frustrated me so much. Not because it was bad but because I was like “where the hell was this guy?”. You’d never even know it was the same filmmaker. Where was that energy and focus? The Muncher bust had it but the rest of the film? I don’t know if they actually shot “Saturday Night” on film but whatever they did they made it look like they shot on film. Ghostbusters Afterlife and Frozen Empire has that sterile bland digital look. The only time the film has visual panache is when it’s riffing on Spielberg or the OG film. I still don’t know what they were thinking with that Wal-Mart sequence. Let’s put the terror dog in harsh bright fluorescent lighting, making the practical animatronic look plastic.



Afterlife & FE are like Star Wars Force Awakens. The ingredients are there. And they get close. But, well no sense in going on about it for the 10000 time lol.

I almost feel like combining Frozen Empire and Afterlife would’ve been the way to go somehow. Frozen Empire is at least funny. And seeing Dan as Ray does the heart good. But Afterlife feels new and different, until it doesn’t. We didn’t need to see Gozer ever again or Marshmallow Men or Terror dogs. But like I said, 100000 times.

Before the Spengler Chapters, I’ve only known loving 2 ghostbusters movies and disliking immensely another. It’s weird having 2 other GB films where they are just kinda ok? Not bad by any means. Just…ok. It’s a feeling I’m not use to. The 3 other films were on opposite sides of the spectrum. Afterlife and Frozen Empire both have moments of greatness, moments of okness and moments of “that’s it? That’s all you got?”

[One time]

I love Afterlife for the emotional impact and the "wait" but agree partly with what you are saying.

[Davideverona]

I'm with you all on the SNL movie vibe. I thought the same thing.

And there's another thing that slightly worries me: McKenna Grace. She was great as little Phoebe, but not so much as teenage Phoebe. Almost like she outgrew the role and discovered that doing a GB movie wasn't her favourite toy anymore. I'm afraid that another chapter on her will be wasted.

The same goes for Gary Grooberson. He was totally believable in Afterlife but in Frozen Empire I just saw Paul Rudd.

Anyway, I noticed that the GB social media channels are starting to activate so.... I'm willing to bet on a "we'll start writing soon" announcement, since they haven't much to show when it comes to the animation side of the franchise.

[BatDan]

Afterlife & FE are like Star Wars Force Awakens. The ingredients are there. And they get close. But, well no sense in going on about it for the 10000 time lol.

I almost feel like combining Frozen Empire and Afterlife would’ve been the way to go somehow. Frozen Empire is at least funny. And seeing Dan as Ray does the heart good. But Afterlife feels new and different, until it doesn’t. We didn’t need to see Gozer ever again or Marshmallow Men or Terror dogs. But like I said, 100000 times.

Before the Spengler Chapters, I’ve only known loving 2 ghostbusters movies and disliking immensely another. It’s weird having 2 other GB films where they are just kinda ok? Not bad by any means. Just…ok. It’s a feeling I’m not use to. The 3 other films were on opposite sides of the spectrum. Afterlife and Frozen Empire both have moments of greatness, moments of okness and moments of “that’s it? That’s all you got?”

I'm with you all on the SNL movie vibe. I thought the same thing.

And there's another thing that slightly worries me: McKenna Grace. She was great as little Phoebe, but not so much as teenage Phoebe. Almost like she outgrew the role and discovered that doing a GB movie wasn't her favourite toy anymore. I'm afraid that another chapter on her will be wasted.

The same goes for Gary Grooberson. He was totally believable in Afterlife but in Frozen Empire I just saw Paul Rudd.

Agree with these sentiments. I have a conflicting feelings with the new movies and it’s something i never felt before either. Even GB2 with its flaws..i don’t have the same conflicting frustrations.

Mckenna shined in Afterlife—thats “her” movie for sure. Her “Egon-ness” seemed a bit watered down in FE.

I was expecting FE to shift to another character to expand on since it seemed Pheobes arc was fullfilled by the end of Afterlife…i thought it was going to be Gary since he was being put centerstage in the posters..and the promo pic of him and Venkman was the prime piece of every article.

So watching FE the first time..it made sense on why they were narratively “benching” Phoebe in the opening of the film—but it turns out they benched the audience with her. Very strange decision in writing

We coulda been out going on calls with Gary and Trevor—with maybe Winston as the field monitor.

Its like the writers kepts making great set ups with bizarre narrative outcomes that made me scratch my head. Like the incredibly peculiar way that Garakka escapes

With Guys “thats all you got?” Comment. I felt that.

After 30+ years..We FINALLY HAVE the OGs in the firehouse!!..and what do we do with them? Run them over with the ecto, have them shoot their pack for 2 seconds..then freeze them. uhh..okay?

Yeah—i keep wanting “more” because it seems like they “almost” keep getting but its juuuuust not quite there.

But even with all the flaws—id still welcome just one more chapter to hopefully iron out the kinks.

[One time]

I couldn't agree more with all of you.

Look, as a (massive) fan since 1984, if anyone had told me in the movie "dead years" (1989-Afterlife) that GB3 (as in the same GB universe so not counting ATC) that the next Ghostbusters would be about a single mom and her preteen kids ghostbusting, I would either not believe you or be really disappointed. Think about it. The next Ghostbusters being the actual birthday mom and the actual kids at the He-Man party in GB2? It makes no sense! That's actually the furthest away. Even the Major and Peck being Ghostbusters makes more sense than that.

I love Afterlife because that was a great / sentimental / mysterious / beautiful way to get the world back into Ghostbusters. But it works as a perfect bridge (Gozers inclusion being debatable, I agree). As a beautiful way to overcome the 30 year gap. Not as an actual Ghostbusters movie. That's why Frozen Empire just doesn't work for me, because it's just Afterlife II, when Afterlife had already served its purpose.

And it's a shame because Aykroyd, Murray and Zeddemore are still (just) young enough to actually be the Ghostbusters we loved and have been waiting for.

All the more reason why GBTVG is (for me and a -whole bunch of others-) the real GB3. Canon or not.

We really need a last movie where the original Ghostbusters do their job one last time.

[BatDan]

It was definitely happening in the movie. It was just off camera.

When Winston was hiring GB engineers, obviously Ray Pete and Janine were the interview board.

A more interesting “business” movie in the vein of Gb1 and 2 was happening in the background with what the guys were trying to do with the company as they expanded departments and the staff.

Like i said before—the Phoebe/Melody subplot just overshadowed and took away the more Ghostbusty stuff.

But yeah, I agree. We really needed that true OG-centered sequel. Imagine a GB movie where the whole plot is working toward "the OGs last day before retiring" and they spend the movie getting Gary, Pheobe, and Co into shape before cleaning out their lockers.