- October 12th, 2024, 2:20 pm#5000469
And I'm not sure how you can definitively state that people aren't rewatching Afterlife, it's been available on home media and streaming for the better part of three years now, those metrics are harder for us to track than the film's box office (which again, was successful enough to convince Sony to greenlight a sequel). Plus your seem to ignore the fact that the film opened during the pandemic, which hit a slew of films.
And it seems pretty safe to assume that Jason and Gil are developing "Ghostbusters 5" with the cast to be helmed by Gary, Callie, Phoebe, Trevor, and probably also feature Lucky and Podcast.
Winston knows better than most people how dangerous the job is, so it seems likely he'd do everything he can to ensure it stays in the hands of people who have some idea of what Ghostbusters entails, rather than "sell it off to another band of misfit PhDs".
Whether Egon owned the equipment (in part, or totality) is a good question (though sadly one we won't see answered) but I don't know if that means Callie would inherit his share of the equipment upon his death. Even if she did, she seems fully aware of just how dangerous the equipment is, so again, I doubt she'd sell any Ghostbusters equipment to another band of misfit PhDs.
With how the world is at the moment, there's still plenty of reason to keep creating LGBTQ+ characters... They don't have to be the next Harvey Milk, Marsha P. Johnson, Elliot Page or Bella Ramsey to still be meaningful and important to people.
Just look at the turnout for an LGBTQ+ pride event (it can either be in a small town or a big city), those by themselves show plenty of people care. Turn your attention to newspapers, cable news channels, or news websites, and you'll see plenty of efforts by people who hate the LGBTQ+ community and are trying to take away their hard-won rights - so those people also care about the LGBTQ+ community (but for the wrong reasons).
Only people who have a prejudiced/dismissive view of the LGBTQ+ community claim that "nobody cares" about people being LGBTQ+.
Phoebe had a teenage crush, that was it. You're making what was depicted in the film sound more salacious than it actually was.
And if we're going to talk about romantic plot lines being shoehorned into a Ghostbusters movie, I think the Louis/Janine plot was far more egregious and pointless compared to Phoebe and Melody's.
And he meshed perfectly well with Ghostbusters, he was a little kooky... But he came across as authoritative when talking about the dead language Podcast recorded, and the orb of Garraka, and chasing after Possessor and his encounter with Patience the possessed lion. His deleted scene (the coffee bit aside) is another good example of him delivering a pretty straight and serious performance.
Considering Venkman once asked a woman if she was menstruating, openly hit on Dana during her interview and investigation, Egon ran some questionable psychological experiments on people, the Ghostbusters aren't always the most straight-laced of scientists.
My point is that Patton was a fair inclusion in the film, and probably was a better actor (comedy and serious) than Rick was in Ghostbusters II.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amAnd your point is...?My point is Sony/Jason/Gil aren't just going to suddenly throw out the Afterlife/Frozen Empire characters just because you don't like them. I believe the audience as a whole has accepted the Spenglers, and it's only a vocal minority who actively dislike them/are calling for their removal. I believe the fact we got Frozen Empire is proof enough that more people have embraced them than rejected them.
And I'm not sure how you can definitively state that people aren't rewatching Afterlife, it's been available on home media and streaming for the better part of three years now, those metrics are harder for us to track than the film's box office (which again, was successful enough to convince Sony to greenlight a sequel). Plus your seem to ignore the fact that the film opened during the pandemic, which hit a slew of films.
And it seems pretty safe to assume that Jason and Gil are developing "Ghostbusters 5" with the cast to be helmed by Gary, Callie, Phoebe, Trevor, and probably also feature Lucky and Podcast.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amI think it's common knowledge that problem with 2016 wasn't the cast.Regardless, after twice seeing the main characters get replaced for new main characters, I don't think the solution is to implement another replacement.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amIs it really "solved" though...? At that age, she should be a high school senior. A college freshman at the most. The 1984 cast were already late 20's or 30-something PhD's.We can accept child prodigies like Doogie Howser and Peter Parker, why is it hard to accept Phoebe in a world where ghosts can be captured and trapped, and where the Ghostbusters have fought with a god and a wizard trapped in a painting?
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amPoint was whoever owns what sells it off.And why would Winston sell it? Why sould the plot call for that to happen?
Winston knows better than most people how dangerous the job is, so it seems likely he'd do everything he can to ensure it stays in the hands of people who have some idea of what Ghostbusters entails, rather than "sell it off to another band of misfit PhDs".
Whether Egon owned the equipment (in part, or totality) is a good question (though sadly one we won't see answered) but I don't know if that means Callie would inherit his share of the equipment upon his death. Even if she did, she seems fully aware of just how dangerous the equipment is, so again, I doubt she'd sell any Ghostbusters equipment to another band of misfit PhDs.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amGhostbusters acting as a franchise to tell a "coming of age" story is a non-starter for me.That's fine, it seems fair to say plenty of other people enjoyed that story.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amBeing gay or lesbian frankly isn't an interesting story to tell anymoreIn your opinion.
With how the world is at the moment, there's still plenty of reason to keep creating LGBTQ+ characters... They don't have to be the next Harvey Milk, Marsha P. Johnson, Elliot Page or Bella Ramsey to still be meaningful and important to people.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 ambecause no one cares in this day and age.That simply isn't true.
Just look at the turnout for an LGBTQ+ pride event (it can either be in a small town or a big city), those by themselves show plenty of people care. Turn your attention to newspapers, cable news channels, or news websites, and you'll see plenty of efforts by people who hate the LGBTQ+ community and are trying to take away their hard-won rights - so those people also care about the LGBTQ+ community (but for the wrong reasons).
Only people who have a prejudiced/dismissive view of the LGBTQ+ community claim that "nobody cares" about people being LGBTQ+.
Phoebe had a teenage crush, that was it. You're making what was depicted in the film sound more salacious than it actually was.
And if we're going to talk about romantic plot lines being shoehorned into a Ghostbusters movie, I think the Louis/Janine plot was far more egregious and pointless compared to Phoebe and Melody's.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amNo offense, but the phrase that comes to mind here is "Stockholm Syndrome".There's no Stockholm Syndrome here. I think some people need to temper their expectations with what Sony is going to give us. If you went in expecting something like The Avengers then I think that's all on you, especially as there was nothing seen in the filming that suggested anything with that kind of epic city-wide battle.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amPatton Oswalt is one of those actors that just doesn't have a serious bone in his body.You've not watched enough of Patton's work. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Ratatouille, Big Fan, The Circle come to mind. More of his animation voice work may be good examples of his more serious acting, but I've not seen his less mainstream animated work.
And he meshed perfectly well with Ghostbusters, he was a little kooky... But he came across as authoritative when talking about the dead language Podcast recorded, and the orb of Garraka, and chasing after Possessor and his encounter with Patience the possessed lion. His deleted scene (the coffee bit aside) is another good example of him delivering a pretty straight and serious performance.
Considering Venkman once asked a woman if she was menstruating, openly hit on Dana during her interview and investigation, Egon ran some questionable psychological experiments on people, the Ghostbusters aren't always the most straight-laced of scientists.
Specter Mitcher wrote: ↑October 12th, 2024, 10:00 amAnd your point here is....?I think you know what my point is, and you're just saying that to be a troll, but I'll answer it anyway:
My point is that Patton was a fair inclusion in the film, and probably was a better actor (comedy and serious) than Rick was in Ghostbusters II.