[One time]

2. If the Manhattan society freed Garraka in 1908 using the encantation how did Garraka end up back in the orb?

Perhaps an audio recording isn't enough to fully release Garraka? It has to be a living person reciting the incantation.

By the same account Nadeem’s gran could have busted Garraka back into the orb. I vaguely remember someone with Firemaster armor in the 1908 room, although I could be mistaken.

1. On the issue of the audio recording: Garraka was released from the orb by Phoebe’s ghost being possessed by Garraka and being made to recite the incantation by Garraka.

Why didn’t Garraka just force Melody’s ghost (as opposed to Phoebe’s ghost) to recite the incantation to free himself from the orb, if an actual audio recitation was all that’s required? Melody was a human just as Phoebe.

“Living person” claim doesn’t hold up as Phoebe’s ghost is reciting it, her body is dead. Unless we entertain the notion that Phoebe is in two places at once.

Why go through the trouble of possessing Phoebe?

1b. If an audio recording of the incantation isn’t enough, then why does Garraka push Posessor to take the audio recording away from the GB’s in a hopping garbage bag?

2. The “beam” shot out from the containment unit at the end (and out through the roof) shoots out exactly over where the entire cast is standing. How are they alive?

3. How is Garraka trapped in the containment unit at the end after he destroys the containment unit? We literally see the tank and the wall torn to shreds a scene earlier.

4. If Nadeem’s gran did bust Garraka in 1908 why didn’t she tell him (or anyone) about this thing in that orb in her spice cabinet that could end humanity? Makes no sense. She is responsible and wise enough to capture an evil demon, yet incapable of as much as warning or even telling her next of kin? Nadeem didn’t even KNOW about the room until he stumbled across it looking for pop tarts.

5. How have ghosts become “a thing” in NYC again after “there hasn’t been a ghost sighting in 30 years”. This is before Garraka. A 55 foot “sewer dragon” is flying around the city and no one as much as looks up. The tv interviewee at the end says “people could have been killed”, in response to the actions of the Ghostbusters and Ecto1. As opposed to something like: “what on Earth WAS that thing??? Did you all see that 60 foot giant fat blue noodle flying around??”.

6. Where did the possessor ghost go after posessing the Ecto1 and the Proton Pack?

7. Why did Winston never tell Ray or the other Ghostbusters about the PRC. The compound was up and running for a long while by the look of it. He knew the GB’s (and a child!) were in harms way every day. Data acquired from PRC (a lab for studying ghosts!) could potentially have saved Ghostbuster lives.

8. How did Peck not strip the PRC of all their Gb equipment after the “verdict” alongside the Firehouse.

9. How did Lucky - a teenage burger flipper in Oklahoma who never expressed an interest in science or ghosts in the previous film, end up working at the super-secret high tech spin-off branch of her ex-boyfriend’s dead grandfather’s defunct paranormal elimination company in NYC, especially without that ex-boyfriend -ever finding out-?) I think everyone will agree that this makes no sense. Pinfield is obviously savant/autism level qualified/educated.

But the most egregious would have to be:

10. Garraka”s entire plan of world domination hinged on knowing the Ghostbusters had a machine that could be misused to rip the souls out of living people, and knew enough about lonely teenage 21st century girls to cook up such a weirdly elaborate plan as “get a hot dead Gen-X ghost to seduce someone into volunteering to misuse the Soul Ripping Machine in the hopes of getting ghost smooches to recite an incantation? Maybe Garraka had heard about the blowjobs Ray had gotten from ghosts in the past and was originally planning to lure him?

11. FE makes the morally reprehensible mistake of equating actual human spirits with annoyance pests like Slimer, Muncher, Pukie, etc. Podcast: “shoot! What are you waiting for?!”.

If it would ever be proven that a human spirit is basically unaltered from their living self (Egon, Phoebe, Melody) then they would unequivocally have all the rights of their human living selves in society. There is no way on Earth you could arbitrarily “capture a human spirit” based on a phone call and hold them against their will in a daemonic prison.

Slimer, Muncher, Pukie, even the Jogger ghost were always seen as residual traces of an underlying human or other manifestation of intent. With Slimer; gluttony, Pukie; disgust, jogger ghost; obsession maybe. They were never seen as sentient consciousnesses.

But Melody, Egon and Phoebe just appear as normal human beings. Dying automatically eliminates human dignity?

12. Also Phoebe is seen coating half of the solenoid ring in the cyclotron in brass. That solenoid is already surrounded by copper (because it’s an electromagnet), not “zinc and nickel”.

Wouldn’t coating it with brass (65% copper and 35% zinc) mean she is applying a 65% coating of copper on something that is already copper and 35% with something that is a worse conductor than copper? Although she only coats half of the ring for some reason. Who knows. Supernatural stuff works in weird ways.

And I thought cyclotrons didn’t have spinning parts. Just moving particles (at 3/4ths the speed of light!). I always assumed the red lights were indicators of the magnet quadrants working properly, which is kind of reinforced by the CRT conduits inside blocking the viewports. Who knows for sure.

Egon Spengler knows how to build a miniature cyclotron and I obviously don’t

[DancingToaster]

By the same account Nadeem’s gran could have busted Garraka back into the orb. I vaguely remember someone with Firemaster armor in the 1908 room, although I could be mistaken.

There is a Firemaster (possibly Nadeem's grandmother) holding the orb in the prologue; this person wakes up when the firefighters approach.

“Living person” claim doesn’t hold up as Phoebe’s ghost is reciting it, her body is dead. Unless we entertain the notion that Phoebe is in two places at once.

Why go through the trouble of possessing Phoebe?

Somehow, Phoebe's body is reciting the incantation at the same time as her ghost is speaking. I wonder if this was also partially to show the audience that she is only "mostly dead" and that they didn't have her kill her body completely, even for a few minutes.

It still makes no sense though

3. How is Garraka trapped in the containment unit at the end after he destroys the containment unit? We literally see the tank and the wall torn to shreds a scene earlier.

Ray starts explaining something about how capturing Garraka would cause the containment unit to repair itself, but Venkman shuts him up. Again, seems awfully convenient!

4. If Nadeem’s gran did bust Garraka in 1908 why didn’t she tell him (or anyone) about this thing in that orb in her spice cabinet that could end humanity? Makes no sense. She is responsible and wise enough to capture an evil demon, yet incapable of as much as warning or even telling her next of kin?

It doesn't seem like Nadeem and his grandmother were particularly close. For this one, I could believe that she did tell him at some point but he discounted it as old myths or fairy tales. If that's the case, he could have been like "wait, that was actually true?" just to let us know that she didn't neglect to mention it.

6. Where did the possessor ghost go after posessing the Ecto1 and the Proton Pack?

It possesses the pizza and Slimer eats it while it's running off the table. Not sure what that ultimately means for the possessor, but being eaten by Slimer seems to stop it for now. I'm guessing that possessor can't travel too far without inhabiting an object, as it also uses the paper airplane to travel to the second floor.

9. How did Lucky - a teenage burger flipper in Oklahoma who never expressed an interest in science or ghosts in the previous film, end up working at the super-secret high tech spin-off branch of her ex-boyfriend’s dead grandfather’s defunct paranormal elimination company in NYC, especially without that ex-boyfriend -ever finding out-?)

This did seem pretty contrived; maybe she developed an interest in ghostbusting after GBA and kept Winston's information when looking for an internship (or discussed it with him after the events of the movie). Maybe she also had to be checked after being possessed by Zuul, and learned more about the process during that time. Still seems weird that Trevor had no idea, or that the Spenglers didn't know about the PRC at all yet.

10. Garraka”s entire plan of world domination hinged on knowing the Ghostbusters had a machine that could be misused to rip the souls out of living people, and knew enough about lonely teenage 21st century girls to cook up such a weirdly elaborate plan as “get a hot dead Gen-X ghost to seduce someone into volunteering to misuse the Soul Ripping Machine in the hopes of getting ghost smooches to recite an incantation?

Yeah, it was a bizarre plan. Maybe Garraka learned about the machine during his time in the lab, and observed Phoebe's interest in it? This was after Phoebe met Melody, though, so it doesn't really make sense. Perhaps this would have made more sense if Garraka sensed this interest in the lab first, then recruited a ghost like Melody to manipulate her into pursuing her interest in the machine. It still would have been ridiculous, however, and the way Phoebe's ghost controls her body is too convenient and never explained.

I'm also perplexed that Garraka furiously makes his way to the firehouse and then basically waits his turn to attack a few times, like a turn-based RPG boss. Then again, Gozer kind of did that too. The Firemaster thing seems to be Garraka's version of "are you a god?" Nice of him not to finish killing everyone before breaking open the containment unit though.

[One time]

Yeah. Nadeem didn’t know about the room until he found it looking for pop tarts. Which means she didn’t tell her (we assume by the pictures) only next of kin of the orb’s location yet left the room easy enough to find by a hungry person.

I don’t know, the entire script seems contrived and “convenience writing”. As opposed to gradually increasing in absurdity while remaining perfectly believable like GB1.

It’s almost like new movies are written in reverse and old movies are written forwards.

[tylergfoster]

2. If the Manhattan society freed Garraka in 1908 using the encantation how did Garraka end up back in the orb?

Perhaps an audio recording isn't enough to fully release Garraka? It has to be a living person reciting the incantation.

Isn't the orb being held at the end of the sequence by someone wearing the armor? Clearly they trapped it again, even if it cost them their life.

EDIT: I see someone beat me to it and apparently they didn't die, which makes sense.

3. How is Garraka trapped in the containment unit at the end after he destroys the containment unit? We literally see the tank and the wall torn to shreds a scene earlier.

Ray starts explaining something about how capturing Garraka would cause the containment unit to repair itself, but Venkman shuts him up. Again, seems awfully convenient!

I believe the idea is something like: the force of energy flowing out of the containment unit has the direction reversed, forcing everything back into the containment unit. It's convenient and silly but I suppose I can buy it being something sort of like the way gravity works inside a hose when one is siphoning gas (not that I've ever done it, I've only seen it done in movies, but you know what I mean).

9. How did Lucky - a teenage burger flipper in Oklahoma who never expressed an interest in science or ghosts in the previous film, end up working at the super-secret high tech spin-off branch of her ex-boyfriend’s dead grandfather’s defunct paranormal elimination company in NYC, especially without that ex-boyfriend -ever finding out-?)

This did seem pretty contrived; maybe she developed an interest in ghostbusting after GBA and kept Winston's information when looking for an internship (or discussed it with him after the events of the movie). Maybe she also had to be checked after being possessed by Zuul, and learned more about the process during that time. Still seems weird that Trevor had no idea, or that the Spenglers didn't know about the PRC at all yet.

Lucky does have a dad in law enforcement. Also, as established by the previous movie, Lucky is older than Trevor and therefore older than 18, so as an adult she can do what she wants, not to mention the Ghostbusters had degrees but since the tech was homegrown there was no process in becoming licensed or trained to use it. As with many things in the movie, there's enough there to make a certain kind of sense out of it, but it's not in the movie per se, which is frustrating.

[mrmichaelt]

There is a Firemaster (possibly Nadeem's grandmother) holding the orb in the prologue; this person wakes up when the firefighters approach.

Not Nadeem's grandmother. Already confirmed it with Eric Reich.

It possesses the pizza and Slimer eats it while it's running off the table. Not sure what that ultimately means for the possessor, but being eaten by Slimer seems to stop it for now.

If Slimer is basically a huge mass of ectoplasm, imagine a fly placed into the center of jello but instead Possessor in the center of Slimer.

This did seem pretty contrived; maybe she developed an interest in ghostbusting after GBA and kept Winston's information when looking for an internship (or discussed it with him after the events of the movie). Maybe she also had to be checked after being possessed by Zuul, and learned more about the process during that time. Still seems weird that Trevor had no idea, or that the Spenglers didn't know about the PRC at all yet.

Lucky was looking for a way to leave home and have an adventure. Ghostbusters was the path to achieve both. Engineering is a common subject to pick for college. She at least knew her engineering history of Summerville in the one scene in Spinners. Winston couldn't have sworn the Corps to secrecy since Lars was confused why Winston never told them about the new ECU. I doubt it was tit for tat but Trevor did lie to her when they first met. Sorta evens things, lol. The comic might answer it. She's being sorta cryptic in the texts back to him or at least blowing him off.

Yeah, it was a bizarre plan. Maybe Garraka learned about the machine during his time in the lab, and observed Phoebe's interest in it? This was after Phoebe met Melody, though, so it doesn't really make sense. Perhaps this would have made more sense if Garraka sensed this interest in the lab first, then recruited a ghost like Melody to manipulate her into pursuing her interest in the machine. It still would have been ridiculous, however, and the way Phoebe's ghost controls her body is too convenient and never explained.

Yeah, the rule is a living human must speak the chant. Phoebe spiritwalking was a unique situation Garraka took advantage of. He can control any ghost. Phoebe spiritwalking was a loophole. He controlled her 'spirit' but due to the nature it, could also puppet her body, too, and get it to say the chant.

It's the same notion that Vigo was opportunistic and used the mood slime river to power up.

2. The “beam” shot out from the containment unit at the end (and out through the roof) shoots out exactly over where the entire cast is standing. How are they alive?

The power was not shut off like the first movie.

3. How is Garraka trapped in the containment unit at the end after he destroys the containment unit? We literally see the tank and the wall torn to shreds a scene earlier.

It isn't destroyed like in the first movie, it's more like with his thought transference is forcing the ghosts to burst out of the pipe.

5. How have ghosts become “a thing” in NYC again after “there hasn’t been a ghost sighting in 30 years”. This is before Garraka. A 55 foot “sewer dragon” is flying around the city and no one as much as looks up. The tv interviewee at the end says “people could have been killed”, in response to the actions of the Ghostbusters and Ecto1. As opposed to something like: “what on Earth WAS that thing??? Did you all see that 60 foot giant fat blue noodle flying around??”.

It turned to be a general statement from Gary. It's more clear now that people simply stopped reporting ghosts and shrugged it off like rats stealing pizza.

By the time of this movie, the new team has been in NY for 1.5 years going by the synopsis for Back in Town #1 and Trevor and Phoebe's age. So the media is used to Ghostbusters and ghosts being at the forefront again.

7. Why did Winston never tell Ray or the other Ghostbusters about the PRC. The compound was up and running for a long while by the look of it. He knew the GB’s (and a child!) were in harms way every day. Data acquired from PRC (a lab for studying ghosts!) could potentially have saved Ghostbuster lives.

Ray knew and so did Podcast because they deliver the spirit-loaded items they buy to the PRC as a donation. Winston just wanted to surprise the new team with everything once the new ECU was done.

8. How did Peck not strip the PRC of all their Gb equipment after the “verdict” alongside the Firehouse.

Maybe Winston kept its existence hidden as a Zeddemore Industries division in legal documents. Or probably they're not a for profit business like the Ghostbusters so he doesn't have the same grounds to get rid of them.

[ShandorMiningCo]

8. How did Peck not strip the PRC of all their Gb equipment after the “verdict” alongside the Firehouse.

Maybe Winston kept its existence hidden as a Zeddemore Industries division in legal documents. Or probably they're not a for profit business like the Ghostbusters so he doesn't have the same grounds to get rid of them.

Definitely the first one I'd say, if only because the PRC ID cards have the Zeddemore Industries logo on the back. Either way, if he was ballsy enough to keep it from the Spenglers then you know for sure he's not going to let Mayor Dickless find out about it. Heck, the police didn't even search the firehouse enough to find Phoebe's pack under the bed.

6. Where did the possessor ghost go after posessing the Ecto1 and the Proton Pack?

It possesses the pizza and Slimer eats it while it's running off the table. Not sure what that ultimately means for the possessor, but being eaten by Slimer seems to stop it for now. I'm guessing that possessor can't travel too far without inhabiting an object, as it also uses the paper airplane to travel to the second floor.

I assume Slimer 'digested' the possessor shortly after gobbling him up. I don't know if it's explicitly stated in the movies yet but I'm pretty sure ghosts can cause each other harm and/or 'kill' purely going by RGB and what happens to Nameless in Spirits Unleashed, but these are obviously different continuities.

[Nadrarak]

I don't know if this even counts as en error or incongruity: in the end credits, there is a bit missing of the theme song. I don't remember if this was maybe so that the song would fit a certain length / end at a certain point, like maybe for the mid-credits scene.

[One time]

By the time of this movie, the new team has been in NY for 1.5 years going by the synopsis for Back in Town #1 and Trevor and Phoebe's age. So the media is used to Ghostbusters and ghosts being at the forefront again.

Yeah. They do say that: "The Ghostbusters haven't caused this much damage since the Statue of Liberty Debacle of 1989".

"Two lamp posts, three parked Pruisses and they knocked over a few bikes". So I guess that they weren't really in the public eye with a lot of attention in those 1.5 years.

What was also weird was the shot featuring all of NYC frozen, and we had no contemporary reports or how people reacted to it. Probably because filming in NYC (or creating believable NYC locations on a studio stage) was too expensive. There is that one fast shot of those 5 Indian guys standing infront of the Firehouse when the doors get blown off. They are all in T-shirts which is weird.

Not trying to be negative! Before people bust my nuts again

This is the incongruities thread afterall )

[tylergfoster]

Much like Ghostbusters (2016), this movie wants to evoke a major event but then not much thought has been put into the logistics of it. In that movie, I thought they should've said that Rowan's portal was sort of like a tunnel back to the dark ages, and that's why New York reverted to the 1970s, and there were pilgrim ghosts and the old Macy's Day Parade. Similarly, while I know the beach scene was probably fun to do as a Jaws riff, and creates scale, I think the freeze should have probably been emanating outward from the firehouse instead of coming in, and the entire city should not have been frozen. It would have made it easier for Peck to try and pin it on the Ghostbusters, like he believes it's one of their experiments gone wrong, and it would not have been so inexplicable that the entire city froze and people are not especially fazed by it. (It also could've saved the studio some money on special effects.)

[Kingpin]

So I guess that they weren't really in the public eye with a lot of attention in those 1.5 years.

Or Gary and the Spenglers had just managed to avoid causing quite as much chaos and damage as they did when chasing the Sewer Dragon.

What was also weird was the shot featuring all of NYC frozen, and we had no contemporary reports or how people reacted to it.

The movie wrapped up pretty quickly once Garraka was defeated, and we didn't see a computer or a television, but it seems safe to assume there were plenty of contemporary reports about icing-over of Manhattan. Most of the civilians were in summer clothing because they were largely caught off-guard by the sudden descent into a new ice age.

[Exrill]

One thing i couldn't help but notice after Phoebe drips the part of her pack in Brass is she walks down to confront Melody powers on her pack it then fires up normally like any other time yet there is no new sounds or sparks. Then a few min later she walks up and then when she fires it up the pack goes crazy with sparks.
did the blast from the containment unit knock the cover off??

[One time]

One thing i couldn't help but notice after Phoebe drips the part of her pack in Brass is she walks down to confront Melody powers on her pack it then fires up normally like any other time yet there is no new sounds or sparks. Then a few min later she walks up and then when she fires it up the pack goes crazy with sparks.
did the blast from the containment unit knock the cover off??

I don't know. In my head canon that pack is possessed by supernatural forces or something. For me there should be nothing physically spinning inside the pack (real cyclotrons also have no mechanically spinning parts at all).

Also if you just look at the inside of any cyclotron cover you will see that the inside of the 4 round holes are covered up by the CRT emitters. You wouldn't be able to see -into- the cyclotron anyway. It's obvious if you just hold the Haslab cyclotron cover in your hands and look at it. The 4 holes don't actually show the inside, they are covered by the CRT emitter bases.

In my head canon the 4 red lights on the outside of the cyclotron indicate the correct functioning of the 4 quadrants of the solenoid ring electromagnets that accelerate the particles. Like a visual representation that -everything is working ok-. That's why the direction doesn't matter, clockwise or counterclockwise. That's simply down to the order in which each individual CRT emitter happened to be connected.

In Afterlife (and FE) we see that the 4 red lights have streaks of movement in them. In my head canon this is just a more higher fidelity representation of what's going inside, kind of simulating what the particles would be doing.

That's what the CRT emitters are for (in my head canon), they emit cathode rays to give a visual representation of each quadrant of the cyclotron working order. Like a safety light.

In Frozen Empire, the whole cyclotron spinning on the brass coated pack has got to be posessed or a supernatural thing or something. Cyclotrons don't mechanically spin, or else they'd need to be spinning at 3/4ths the speed of light.

[mrmichaelt]

Shrug, maybe against Garraka Phoebe went full neutronas.

[JonXCTrack]

One thing i couldn't help but notice after Phoebe drips the part of her pack in Brass is she walks down to confront Melody powers on her pack it then fires up normally like any other time yet there is no new sounds or sparks. Then a few min later she walks up and then when she fires it up the pack goes crazy with sparks.
did the blast from the containment unit knock the cover off??

I don't know. In my head canon that pack is possessed by supernatural forces or something. For me there should be nothing physically spinning inside the pack (real cyclotrons also have no mechanically spinning parts at all).

Also if you just look at the inside of any cyclotron cover you will see that the inside of the 4 round holes are covered up by the CRT emitters. You wouldn't be able to see -into- the cyclotron anyway. It's obvious if you just hold the Haslab cyclotron cover in your hands and look at it. The 4 holes don't actually show the inside, they are covered by the CRT emitter bases.

In my head canon the 4 red lights on the outside of the cyclotron indicate the correct functioning of the 4 quadrants of the solenoid ring electromagnets that accelerate the particles. Like a visual representation that -everything is working ok-. That's why the direction doesn't matter, clockwise or counterclockwise. That's simply down to the order in which each individual CRT emitter happened to be connected.

In Afterlife (and FE) we see that the 4 red lights have streaks of movement in them. In my head canon this is just a more higher fidelity representation of what's going inside, kind of simulating what the particles would be doing.

That's what the CRT emitters are for (in my head canon), they emit cathode rays to give a visual representation of each quadrant of the cyclotron working order. Like a safety light.

In Frozen Empire, the whole cyclotron spinning on the brass coated pack has got to be posessed or a supernatural thing or something. Cyclotrons don't mechanically spin, or else they'd need to be spinning at 3/4ths the speed of light.

Interesting take. It makes enough in-universe sense.

I think the cyclotron cover wasn't put on because the parts were too hot having been freshly dipped into melted brass. Air needed to get to the parts to cool them off. But the unit exploded and Phoebe had to rush downstairs. Why she went straight to the basement instead of helping her family and friends right away is perplexing. Either this was an editing issue, or more evidence of sub-par writing.

[mrmichaelt]

But the unit exploded and Phoebe had to rush downstairs. Why she went straight to the basement instead of helping her family and friends right away is perplexing. Either this was an editing issue, or more evidence of sub-par writing.

No, she went to the basement prior to Garraka landing outside the Firehouse when everyone was split up on different floors - Lars and Pukey on the 3rd, bunch on the 2nd vs. Possessor, everyone else on the 1st. She knew Melody would be there and confronted her. Then Garraka arrives.