- January 11th, 2022, 1:08 pm#4965132
Yeah there is SO much evidence that this was a Gozer hotspot. Give Ray a valid reason to doubt it. Or have him say “I went up there and stayed for 2 years with him. But there was nothing. Egon wasn’t use to being wrong. But he was. He didn’t handle it well. ”. Problem fixed. Ray would never not believe Egon and if Egon took off with the equipment Ray would be right behind him.
I hate to say it but it’s lazy storytelling.
I think you and I are in the same boat when it comes to this movie. There’s a lot to like. The new characters? Awesome. Everything dealing with stuff from the previous films, outside of the surface details like equipment and cars, that’s where the problems start. The OGB’s, Gozer, Egon, Ivo Shandor…it’s a mess. And then you mix in the film not being a comedy? Like I said it just goes to show how hard apparently it is to make one of these movies and why I respect the original movies so much more.
And don’t get me wrong. I the first viewing, while not ideal circumstances, was still a trip. I enjoyed myself(could’ve been the drugs tho..) but whenever I started to think about it I just had all these problems. Then on a second viewing, I was much less enthusiastic.
Sav C wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 11:58 am I know I sound like a broken record, but I don't like that the plan to catch Gozer is largely the same throughout the movie. Egon catches a terror dog, and lures Gozer's energy into the field of traps. At least, that's what I think happens (if he was only being chased by the other terror dog, why couldn't he trap that terror dog as well? (if one trap wasn't enough to hold a terror dog, couldn't it be placed in a stronger containment unit at a later date?)). But his plan fails since there's not enough power.No you aren’t being too critical. The Ray/Egon thing is the films worst sin. It’s goes so against the characters that I get a little angry about it. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of their dynamic & it’s one of those things that I’d love to know what Ivan Reitman really thinks.
Ok.
But then, in the ending, they lure Gozer down to the field of traps, and again it doesn't work because there's not enough power. But Trevor shoots a proton beam at the power conductors, and blam, Gozer's trapped. Unless I missed something, the main difference between the beginning and ending was that they had more power at the ending (and there wasn't any talk, prior to it happening, of how to get more power). I dunno, it doesn't seem very creative.
The other difference is that Egon worked alone, but they worked as a team at the end. This is a lovely testament to the power of working together. However, I can't help but feel that Egon could've gotten the guys back together at the beginning of the movie. I know even Ray had dismissed him as crossing the border, but I feel like there was enough evidence there to get them back on board. A picture of the mineshaft of souls, next to the perfectly preserved body of Ivo Shandor, probably would have helped his case a lot.
I'm probably just being too critical.
Listen, I enjoyed the movie, I really did. And I apologize if I'm raining on anybody's parade. Story wise, a lot of the movie didn't really work for me. To me, the movie felt more like a tribute to the equipment and the car more than anything else. I think that rehashing Gozer was a mistake.
Yeah there is SO much evidence that this was a Gozer hotspot. Give Ray a valid reason to doubt it. Or have him say “I went up there and stayed for 2 years with him. But there was nothing. Egon wasn’t use to being wrong. But he was. He didn’t handle it well. ”. Problem fixed. Ray would never not believe Egon and if Egon took off with the equipment Ray would be right behind him.
I hate to say it but it’s lazy storytelling.
I think you and I are in the same boat when it comes to this movie. There’s a lot to like. The new characters? Awesome. Everything dealing with stuff from the previous films, outside of the surface details like equipment and cars, that’s where the problems start. The OGB’s, Gozer, Egon, Ivo Shandor…it’s a mess. And then you mix in the film not being a comedy? Like I said it just goes to show how hard apparently it is to make one of these movies and why I respect the original movies so much more.
And don’t get me wrong. I the first viewing, while not ideal circumstances, was still a trip. I enjoyed myself(could’ve been the drugs tho..) but whenever I started to think about it I just had all these problems. Then on a second viewing, I was much less enthusiastic.
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